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rude
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The odd thing for me is that I actually have been finding myself listening to this channel now more then I did Fred as Fred went too deep for me as I just was not interested in a lot of the deeper stuff that Fred played. That being said I would rather have a deeper Fred available than a shallower 1st Wave as I think that 1st Wave is too much a part of the dumbing down of the service.
As much as I loved Lucy, and I LOVED LUCY, I wish the Hutton would have been allowed to program Lucy like Fred was and have been able to go deeper on those artists. |
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jones2929
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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One thing that I am happy about is that there are now a lot of people discussing Fred - haven't seen that for awhile.
Let's hope they expand First Wave. I'll give it time. If not, Underground Garage will be my new favorite channel. |
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ffuege2
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Location: McLean, VA
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| jones2929 wrote: | | I agree that First Wave is an awful replacement for Fred. However, don't trash the former KROQ jocks. They're dying to play deeper stuff---guys like Richard Blade and Swedish Eagle. In the past, they have subtly complained on the air about the restrictions on the playlists. The shows on Friday and Saturday nights (I forget the names) are deeper and significantly better. It's just too bad that it can't be like that all the time. |
See, what a wonderful company we now have that handcuffs the jocks and prevents those that might actually know what the f*ck they're doing to put together a quality product.
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trachshack
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| ffuege2 wrote: | | Terra wrote: | I can't take it. Someone needs to fax them a copy of the Fred Essentials. They have no clue how to program this channel. The description of their channel is classic alternative, not new wave.   |
I like new wave and thought Fred could have used a little more of it. The key would have been to actually merge the channels. You drop some of the really obscure Fred to just sprinklings here and there to like 1 an hour. I can live with that. You take all of 1st Wave (short list apparently), dig just a little deeper on those artists, add in even just the top 1000 or 500 of Fred Essentials and you've got all kinds of songs to choose from with no repeats for days.
Sirius doesn't actually have a vision with regards to music. |
Perfectly stated, ffuege2! If they had really MERGED Fred and First Wave they could have hit a home run. Your take on how to do this is perfect. |
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asoundhound
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Yeah, the good DJs Sirius has have no input.
On the other hand, Lambert and Hutton did.
Now we've got satellite radio for, in general, people who don't really like music that much. Awesome. |
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Cardiff Giant
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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We've been having a discussion in another thread about how bad First Wave is so I wanted to chime in here as well. It's awful, shallow playlists, tons of Fred artists COMPLETELY missing, tons of repeats, DJ's talking over the intros to songs. I can't stand listening to it for more than 2-3 songs tops. I could easily listen to Fred for 9 hours straight if I had to (I don't care for the B-52's so when they would come on I would usually change it). At this rate, I'm really thinking of dumping both my radios and maybe just doing the web subscription for OnA and RnF, that or there's always audible.com.....
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DocBrass
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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oooo... U2 - Stories for Boys
about the only "deep" U2 song that will now be played
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Pastry Assassin
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| golly wrote: | Someone please explain to me how
Stereo MC's Connected ('93)
is even remotely first wave? Someone? Anyone?
When it came on yesterday, I knew that Fred is Dead.  |
They played something from them on Chill today. What's the deal? Did they get some kind of royalty discount on this group?
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jones2929
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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It seemed to be slightly deeper tonight. I don't remember the songs, because I've finished off a bottle of Chardonnay and my son is playing some Pokemon game. So, maybe I'm wrong. But it seems a little bit better.
As much as I want to bitch, I won't cancel XM because of O&A and the fact that I can listen to any professional (and many college) sporting contests live. That's just too good to pass up. |
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DocBrass
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| jones2929 wrote: | It seemed to be slightly deeper tonight. I don't remember the songs, because I've finished off a bottle of Chardonnay and my son is playing some Pokemon game. So, maybe I'm wrong. But it seems a little bit better.
As much as I want to bitch, I won't cancel XM because of O&A and the fact that I can listen to any professional (and many college) sporting contests live. That's just too good to pass up. |
my wife told me tonight that I can't cancel. she doesn't know what she would do without the Oprah channel
and I tried to explain to her how bad 1st wave became, she sorta shrugged. I told her listen to it for more than 5 minutes at a time.
so I don't know when I'm canceling  |
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ultraviolet353
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I don't know why, but I am confident 1st wave will add songs. They really have such a thin play list that there is no reason against it--that is the one luxury of a one company landscape. Adding a few hundred songs won't hurt--it will only help.
I really like 1st Wave, but it hasn't changed AT ALL since '04 when I had Sirius for a few months and canceled--after a few weeks you will REALLY realize how tight the playlist is, even on limited listening. I personally hate that they have a specailty show called Dark Wave--consisting of a lot of songs that should be on the regular playlist!
As far as taking several days to a few weeks to add songs--while it seems odd, it seems to be the way it's done. When Newcy was quashed, Zellner told me it would take a few weeks, and sure enough that's what happened.
Fred is dead, and even a shell of Fred is not in the cards, but we can make 1st Wave better.
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cipher1024
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Let me start off by saying I have no idea what KROQ is like, maybe it was awesome in the 80's but the reason I loved Fred was that they played things that I never heard on any commercial station (maybe a college station). So when people say they like 1st Wave, I gotta think WTF? Why do you want your pay radio to be anything like a commercial station? I want my radio to let me listen to stuff I like and introduce me to new stuff that I like. The only way I ever heard Fred type music before was by hanging around a guy that studied Rolling Stone reviews and spent every cent he had on albums! Lithium sucks. I always learned something listening to Stab Walt, and One Revolution Around the Sun kicked ass.
I can't believe no one has said anything about the channel names. Fred, Lucy, Ethel... When I first subbed, I couldn't believe how dumb the names were, but later I realized they were just perfect. "Lucy: it's like Ethel but without the STD's." Just plain Cool. XM was a company that "Got it". This new abomination is something like Walmart trying to be cool. It just makes you wince.
If they screwed up Old Time Radio (radio classics?), I'm done right now. If not, I MAY wait a month or two but I am PISSED.
Bunch of fascists. |
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bgfred
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| cipher1024 wrote: | | Let me start off by saying I have no idea what KROQ is like, maybe it was awesome in the 80's but the reason I loved Fred was that they played things that I never heard on any commercial station (maybe a college station). So when people say they like 1st Wave, I gotta think WTF? Why do you want your pay radio to be anything like a commercial station? I want my radio to let me listen to stuff I like and introduce me to new stuff that I like. The only way I ever heard Fred type music before was by hanging around a guy that studied Rolling Stone reviews and spent every cent he had on albums! |
how you came to this format is key to how you relate to it. If you grew up with KROQ or WLIR you had it fed to you in the early 80;s perhaps in a style more like First Wave (or at least these are familiar voices). Admittedly, I know KROQ had a MUCH wider playlist than First Wave.
I had to discover this, like you. I grew up in the sticks. Had college friends who used to tape WLIR and bring me the tapes. Had no mtv until 1984. Only really got the format one time on radio - 92.1 WOFM in Va beach 1987-1990. made fred's playlist sounds tight, they covered Buffett to Nine Inch Nails, KD Lang/Lucinda Williams to Bad Manners, and Indigo Girls to Voice of the Beehive (but it worked, somehow). Listening to THAT was broadining.
So anyway, for a lot of us, the element of discovery, or serendipity, was a critical component.
And this is a commercial strategy too, ever go do Sam's Club? Read "The Long Tail" (Chris Anderson, Oct 2004 Wired magazine per Wikipedia) which is the commercial possibility of serving the back side of the 80/20 rule made possible by technology. Commercial radio could not do that, satellite can (and until recently, did).
So which way will satellite go?
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ffuege2
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| ultraviolet353 wrote: | I don't know why, but I am confident 1st wave will add songs. They really have such a thin play list that there is no reason against it--that is the one luxury of a one company landscape. Adding a few hundred songs won't hurt--it will only help.
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As far as taking several days to a few weeks to add songs--while it seems odd, it seems to be the way it's done. When Newcy was quashed, Zellner told me it would take a few weeks, and sure enough that's what happened.
Fred is dead, and even a shell of Fred is not in the cards, but we can make 1st Wave better. |
They already had several weeks between making the decision to do this and when they threw the switch. It seemed like once the XM programmers were canned they were sprinkling in more 1st Wave songs on Fred or maybe I just noticed those more in anticipation of the switch. Anyway, they could have used the last couple of weeks to start easing the Sirius listeners into a combined and EXPANDED playlist before just taking 1st Wave apparently as-is and moving it to XM.
Regardless, I'm out for many reasons even though this 1 channel change was a big one for me. Overall, I'm no longer happy with the platform even though some good remains here and there. The vision is completely dead now even though it had been dying off over the last couple of years as they apparently thought they needed to compete better with Sirius. XMX gave me hope when it started but Sirius killed it too along with Fine Tuning.
There's no reason to put up with just adequate sound quality with what has become just another product pumped out by a carrier like my boring cable company. Cable doesn't give a shit what's on the channels as long as I'm mindlessly watching them and I believe Sirius has the same mentality.
I'm just going to have to go do it myself and will be buying a Zune 120 today, build my own playlists with Zune Pass and my own music collection. I'm finding some interesting podcasts as well for automatic content freshness. $250 for a 120GB player that wi-fi syncs music & podcasts including video and $15/month for my own access to a huge catalog of songs is a suitable substitute for me even though I have to build my own playlists. At least I won't put a few songs on a tight rotation daily unless I want it that way (and I don't). I have my Fred like Alt 80's playlist up to 585 songs and a 1st Wave like Synthpop playlist up to 431 songs with just a week of playing around here and there. I also have a 949 ProgRock playlist and many others in the works including easily downloading something like a dozen George Carlin albums from the Zune Pass. I think I'm set...
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dlduchon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: fred |
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| Please bring Fred programming back. I had Sirius in my car and 1st Wave and the other stations were so bad I let my subscritption expire. It was like bad radio. I could listen to Fred for days. Does anyone really want to hear the same songs over and over? NO. Why do programmers think people do? Fred was the best ever. Please bring it back. Fred had a great way of mixing in songs that I had never heard before, but wish I had. 1st wave has a great way of playing songs I have heard too many times, even earlier in the same day! What Alt Music DJ talks during the music? Bad Radio formatting strikes again. I guess each programmers mind is as expansive as their playlist. Bring back the cerebrals from Fred and send the 1st wave progammers to a radio station. |
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